Snipers in Afghanistan Get New Rifle

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Snipers in Afghanistan Get New Rifle

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Thanks for the links Mike

Postby Niner Alpha » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:26 pm

Looks like a return to the auto firing sniper rifle....like the M14 that snipers that you and I remember used. Same nato ammo too. Only looks like the old M14 was considered, as in combat effective range, good out to 500 meters and this new one is good for 800 if I read my info right. Somebody know better please correct me.

Here's the M14 stats. It uses a 20 round magazine too.

Length: 44.14 inches (112.12 centimeters)
Length of Barrel: 22 inches (55.88 centimeters)
Weight:
Empty magazine: 8.7 pounds (3.95 kilograms)
Full magazine and sling: 11.0 pounds (5.0 kilograms)
Bore diameter: 7.62mm
Maximum effective range: 1,509.26 feet (460 meters)
Muzzle velocity: 2,800 feet (853 meters) per second
Cyclic rate of fire: 750 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 rounds
Unit Replacement Cost: $576
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Postby Niner Delta » Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:57 pm

I was in one of the last units at Ft. Lewis to go through basic with an M-14. It was fun to shoot, except that after a day at the range, my shoulder was a little sore.
The main problem with the rifle was that it's weight was about 40 pounds when on a full pack march. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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weapon weight

Postby SgtMike » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:28 pm

Did you notice that this weapon weighs in at 70 pounds complete. That seems awful heavy to me. Then add personal gear, holy-ga-moly. I don't think stepping off the end of a Tango Boat into that good old South Vietnam mud would be advisable. :-)
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Postby Niner Alpha » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:48 pm

I had an M14 in basic in the summer of 69 too. At the end of the cycle some of us were required to shoot to qualify with the M16 before going on to AIT. I think they let us practise with a couple of magazines and then we had to qualify with it right after.

Because of my 13E20 MOS I didn't shoot an M16 again until I was in Vietnam.

I remember the snipers in Vietnam. They had the M14. If I remember right, at night, which is mostly when they used them, they had a scope with a starlight in it. They only went out with different platoons on a temporary basis and then went back to wherever they came from.
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Hey Vern

Postby Niner Alpha » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:14 pm

Looking at another post and I think I know why your shoulder hurt. Think you didn't pay attention to rule 2. :lol:
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M14

Postby Delta75 » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:16 am

Hey Guys,

How are you arriving at the weight for the M14? I used the M14 in both basic and AIT, and if my memory is correct it weighed slightly under 10 lbs compared to the 6+ lbs of the M16.

I loved the accuracy and durability of the M14, especially when it had the AR-14 setup which included the forward handgrip and bipod that probably added another pound. I also loved the adjustable front and rear sights.

Mid way thru NCOC school. he had some extended manevers where they wanted someone to carry the M14 as the AR. Since I loved the M14, I volunteered. That is where I really noticed the "total" weight difference between the M14 and the M16 that we used in NCOC school. The weight of the rifle wasn't the major issue. It was the overall weight of the heavier magazines and ammo.

Still....like the AK47, you could bury the M14 and after digging it up, you could still shoot it....as long as you could kick the bolt forward.
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Hmmm

Postby Niner Alpha » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:36 am

Jerry, got that informaton off the internet as to weight. Walther's Rifles of the World shows 8.56 lbs empty. The other stat was 8.7. No weight given with loaded magazine in Walther's book..
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Postby Niner Delta » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:28 am

M14 and M14a1
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M14 stats and history

Postby SgtMike » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:37 pm

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M14

Postby Delta75 » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:09 pm

Niner Delta/Sgt Mike,

My question related to the 50 and 70 lbs that were mentioned. What do these figures refer to?

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Postby SgtMike » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:19 pm

When you go to: http://www.peosoldier.army.mil/factshee ... _XM110.pdf

Under Performance Characteristics they have the complete system with carrying case at 70 pounds. The rifle with one clip of ammo is about 17.3 lbs. So I have no idea where they come up with the 70 lbs.????
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Postby Niner Delta » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:08 am

That's not even an M14, looks like an M16 on steroids. And it says it is 15.3 with a scope, bipod, and 20 round clip.
I saw one site that had it listed at 9.9lbs, maybe the difference between weights is type of stock, clips, etc.

Jerry,
I was kidding about the 40lbs and the 70lbs refers to this sniper system and case.

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Kidding

Postby Delta75 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:08 pm

You got me on that one Niner Delta. I was worried that all that artillery noise had given you a concusion that finally caught up with you. LOL

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the rifle that the xm110 was developed from

Postby Niner Alpha » Sat May 05, 2007 8:21 pm

Friend at my gun nut site posted this link about the SR25. It also gives some recent sniper developement history.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/www.tacticalshooter.com/dec98.html
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The actual sniper we remember was officially M21

Postby Niner Alpha » Sat May 05, 2007 8:34 pm

Or at one time xm21. Looks like a M14. Had a different name.

http://www.snipercentral.com/m21.htm

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